00:21:48 Kathy Smith Whitman: Does anyone have experience with (naturalized) the wild plums that grow all over Australia? Maybe Prunus carasifera??
00:22:23 Andrew Walsh: Any tips on IDing cherries? I have a cherry tree given to me by a relative that I think is a Montmorency, but I have no idea how I can even tell whether it’s a sour or sweet cherry. Thanks!
00:22:32 NAFEX: If anyone is willing to do a short write up on tonight’s talk please let us know. You can revisit the recording afterward so you don’t have to capture the content live. Just let us know if you’re willing to help.
00:23:27 Eve Emshwiller (she,her): I have a question about Prunus and black walnuts. I have read conflicting information about which species are sensitive or resistant to Juglone. I have one wild black cherry that is right next to a walnut and seems fine, except for a whole lot of black knot – which I doubt is because of the juglone. I have some sources that say that all Prunus are resistant to juglone, but other sources disagree. Does anyone have observations about Prunus and juglone?
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00:25:36 harry: I’m looking for more information on Prunus besseyi, as far as any improved selections that have been made? Or any nurseries that carry a selection. I know Gurney’s has a generic version.
00:27:58 Chris Malik: is there a low toxicity method for controlling cherry leaf spot? I see it on my Romance series cherries.
00:28:02 michael s thompson: We are growing sour shrub cherries of the so called Romance Series: Lutowska, Romeo and Juliette and others grown their own root. Has anyone tried this group?
00:28:49 Gary Smith: Does anyone have problems with pocket gophers attacking the roots and killing the trees? I believe that Cummins Nursery has a warning about them attacking cherry roots.
00:28:58 michael: My soil is extremely deficient in boron. I know the amount of amendment required, but was interested in recommendations for best practices for actually applying boron.
00:29:32 gloria bell: Colour of the flesh?
00:30:06 Nate: I’m interested to hear anyone’s experience grafting onto nanking cherry. I’ve seen some mentions online that people have had success grafting euro and american/japanese hybrid plums onto nanking cherry
00:31:02 Andrew Walsh: Thanks again for the help Chris
00:31:24 Andrew Walsh: Gloria, the flesh is reddish if I recall correctly
00:32:09 Andrew Walsh: The cherries start yellow and turn red, start very bright red, turn a darker red and get slightly translucent when they get ripe
00:33:01 michael: Anyone know of new varieties of sweet cherries that are thriving in zone 4- with a short growing season (approx 2600 growing degree hrs)
00:34:24 Andrew Walsh: The Romance Series was developed at University of Saskatchewan, good to Zone 2
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00:35:06 Eve Emshwiller (she,her): On the Edible Acres channel on YouTube, Sean describes having 4 generations (from seed) of Nanking cherry in 12 years!
00:35:49 Brian Dahlstrom: I just found this online from Cornell which could help for cherry identification–it has a table with fruit color, average width, etc.: https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/4821/FLS-037.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
00:36:35 csauve: There is a video on pruning SK Cherries from University of Saskatchewan at https://youtu.be/_jQFN53TIk0
00:37:42 Eve Emshwiller (she,her): Reacted to “The Romance Series w…” with 👍
00:37:56 NAFEX: We have some information about the MSU dwarfing rootstock series for sweet cherry (Cass, Clare, Clinton, Crawford and Lake) which are now becoming more available to non-commercial growers. We’ll post it with the recording and chat file after the meeting on our Interest Group page.
00:40:31 Cody Heer: Any experience with Krymsk 5 rootstock for sweet cherry in midwest
00:40:34 ADam BIgham: Replying to “The cherries start…”
Montmorency will have clear-ish juice, yellowish flesh.
00:41:02 Chris Malik: for applying boron to soil I have dissolved boric acid in hot water, then diluting with a hozon injector https://www.amazon.com/Hozon-Siphon-Mixer-Connects-Garden/dp/B015X6H3MS/ref=sr_1_2?hvadid=598809037584&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9003198&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=17922803041919441459&hvtargid=kwd-297144995482&hydadcr=23634_13531544&keywords=hozon+brass+siphon+mixer&qid=1682466846&s=lawn-garden&sr=1-2
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00:42:29 gloria bell: Lots of gummosis here
00:42:52 ADam BIgham: Replying to “Any tips on IDing …”
Growth habit can be a tell: sweet cherries are vigorous and upright in growth habit. Also, sweet cherries bloom earlier in general than sour/tart cherries
00:44:30 Andrew Walsh: Replying to “Any tips on IDing ch…”
Makes me think even more that it’s a sour. It blooms later than the wild pin cherries and I absolutely would not call its growth vigorous, it’s about 20 years old and 8 feet high.
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00:46:41 Mark Wolbers: The Romance Cherries pit well. Carmine Jewel is not resistant to cracking from rain. Romeo and Juliet are more resistant but not as crack resistant as Evans.
00:47:24 Mark Wolbers: We use K 5 in Alaska.
00:47:40 Andrew Walsh: What about the Gisela series? Anyone using that? I’ve been interested in Gisela 6
00:48:26 gloria bell: Interested in a rootstock for replant. Gisela’s all died
00:48:34 gloria bell: Running as V trellis
00:48:39 Andrew Walsh: Which one specifically Gloria?
00:48:40 Brian Dahlstrom: I have a Stella on Gisella 5.
00:48:43 ADam BIgham: Bob Purvis gave information about Prunus rootstocks in a recent Interest Group Meeting.
00:48:50 Andrew Walsh: How old is tour Stella Brian?
00:49:11 Math Heinzel: I’ve been considering using some of the wild plum growing on my property as root stock. they are all very short, may dwarf.
00:49:12 Cody Heer: Replying to “Interested in a root…”
Where at
00:49:25 Eden’s Refuge: I’d love to contribute but I’m new to the prunus varieties.
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00:50:05 NAFEX: Great point, Adam. Bob Purvis talked about stone fruit rootstocks at our rootstocks Interest Group meeting last year, which was recorded and available on our Interest Group page.
00:50:39 Mike Chase: Here is a link to widely cited PDF on cherry tree structures options: https://www.canr.msu.edu/uploads/resources/pdfs/cherry_training_systems_(e3247).pdf
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00:51:56 Mike: Hi guys..I’m late to the party…just wondering how easily mahaleb roots? I have some cuttings I’ve started….
00:52:59 NAFEX: Replying to “Interested in a root…”
Gloria is in Canada
00:54:02 Mike Chase: Here is a UFO article from Cloud Mountain Nursery: https://www.cloudmountainfarmcenter.org/education/grow-tips/upright-fruiting-offshoot-ufo-sweet-cherry-training/
00:58:55 Brian Dahlstrom: I planted my Stella in 2018.
01:00:03 NAFEX: NAFEX member Susan Poizner of orchardpeople.com recently featured Dr. Matthew Whiting of WSU on UFO training system on her podcast. Here’s a link: https://urbanforestryradio.transistor.fm/episodes/how-to-grow-a-fruiting-wall
01:00:51 gloria bell: How do I share about my UFO experiences
01:00:58 gloria bell: I do mens cherries 🙂
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01:05:37 Marta Matvienko: What do people do about birds? I heard about spraying with some indigestible sugar that somehow keeps the birds away. Is this a myth?
01:07:38 Brian Dahlstrom: I planted at 45 degrees, then bent it to parallel to ground. That’s how it grows now and I keep bending it as it grows out.
01:07:56 Mark Wolbers: Stimulating buds on UFO cordons is the reason for cutting back vertical shoots if you haven’t achieved the number of vertical shoots desired at the end of a season. You want to have shoots of equal vigor.
01:08:31 BarbaraR: Re: birds – somebody uses red marbles.
01:12:19 Andrew Walsh: That’s rough. Being pretty used to apples I pruned my cherry towards the end of the winter. Fingers crossed I guess haha
01:13:19 Janet Pflederer: Injecting a plum question: What form should plum pruning aim at? Just got my first plum tree (an Oullins Gage on Mariana) – I’m in Wisconsin zone 5B
01:14:23 Brian Dahlstrom: I had issues with plum curculio on my peach and plum (and apple) last year. I’ve had so few cherries on my young trees I don’t know if curculio will attack the cherries too. As for spray or other approaches to fight plum curculio, I’m interested in what people would suggest.
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01:14:52 Math Heinzel: I have a Cooper’s Hawk nesting nearby. Helps with Birds.
01:15:07 Math Heinzel: Maybe a decoy hawk?
01:15:24 BarbaraR: The Curculio spray sounds very hopeful!
01:17:33 BarbaraR: I like the Tree Paste!
01:17:44 Mike Chase: The Sweet Cheery Fan is illustrated in the Richard Bird pruning books (“Pruning Fruiting Plants”).
01:22:27 Math Heinzel: They sell bird ‘scare’ tape, reflective flapping. Have not tried.
01:22:43 gloria bell: Reacted to “I do mens cherries :…” with 😂
01:24:30 gloria bell: I use BD paste. LOVE it
01:24:59 Regan Ludwig: 👍
01:25:23 Andrew Walsh: A more general prunus question: what prunus species are affected by black knot? Does anyone know if peaches, apricots, or almonds are affected? I have a lot of black knot in my area
01:27:35 Mike: I have a random cherry tree that my father bought that has never produced fruit- i top-grafted it with 6 varieties of cherry and for fun put a menthley plum scion on it too…..the plum took- can I graft any plum onto cherry?
01:30:12 gloria bell: For UFO questions. Have one more note. Large stock/standard rootstocks don’t feather as easily as Gisela. It’s just harder to get larger stock to throw uprights when the tree is younger but keep at it and they will come. Gisela had too many shoots. I had mostly Gisela but I didn’t have much luck with Gisela in a replant situation in wet pacific north west (but for the time being it was easy to grow and perfectly suited for UFO in my opinion)
01:30:13 Regan Ludwig: I have it on chokecherries here, it’s endemic, seems to be worse on my shelterbelt ones than the wild ones. It may have been a factor in the death of my Romeo ( along with winter, they aren’t actually Zone 2 hardy, more 3), but my Juliet (actual zone 2 hardy) haven’t been affected by black knot so far
01:30:42 Brian Dahlstrom: I appreciate all the ideas for fighting curculio.
01:34:06 Marta Matvienko: What grows well grafted onto American plum?
01:34:25 Mike Chase: Google “Stefano Musacchi dynamic pruning branch renewal” to get some You Tubes that are useful in managing intensive orchard layouts. Also swap in Greg Lang for Musacchi’s name and do same search.
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01:35:46 Eve Emshwiller (she,her): yes, please!
01:39:17 Barbara Deardorff: Is that Kakadu Plum growing in Australia?
01:41:23 Kathy Smith Whitman: doug whitman is interested in Native American plums and also wild Australian plums with a fantastic taste. Please contact me at dwwhitm@ilstu.edu
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01:42:22 NAFEX: Replying to “doug whitman is int…”
Did you see Barbara’s question about whether it might be the Kakadu Plum?
01:44:07 Kathy Mendelson: Is this the Australian wild plum
01:44:33 Kathy Mendelson: Here’s the link for that maybe australianhttps://foragersyear.wordpress.com/tag/wild-plum/
01:44:36 Amy Gramour: https://librivox.org/dwarf-fruit-trees-by-frank-albert-waugh/ Here is a link to the free audiobook by Librovix of Frank Waugh’s Dwarf Fruit Trees.
01:44:40 gloria bell: Is there anyone growing gages?
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01:45:00 Chris Malik: is the save chat option disabled? I don’t see the three ellipses near the bottom of the chat window.
01:45:47 NAFEX: Chris, we may have it off. Sorry. We’ll save the chat and post it on the Interest Group page in a few days.
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01:46:52 Amy Gramour: https://archive.org/details/plumsplumculture00waug Link to the book Plums and Plum Culture by Frank Waugh
01:46:58 Mark Wolbers: We have used P. Americana as rootstock in Alaska for many years. We graft short season varieties of plums. We are currently moving over to Krymsk 1 as our preferred plum rootstock.
01:48:42 Karen Obermiller: Gloria — I am trying … I’ll post on the Facebook page
01:49:06 NAFEX: Please email is your good content from tonight to admin@nafexmembers.org
01:49:32 Brian Dahlstrom: Thanks, Everyone, for your valuable insights.
01:49:40 Luke Ruffner: Native American plum as a rootstock does not form good callous tissue in the summer for bud grafting but rather it does decent in the Spring for bench
01:49:43 gloria bell: Replying to “Gloria — I am trying…”
Awesome!
01:50:01 ADam BIgham: Replying to “Thanks, Everyone, …”
And to you
01:50:02 gloria bell: Thank you all!
01:50:05 Regan Ludwig: First Interest meeting, newer NAFEX member from NW Sask, Canada. Really enjoyed this, thank you everyone!
01:50:12 NAFEX: Thanks to everyone for your participation tonight. It was a great discussion. And big thanks to Chris Homanics for facilitating.
01:50:24 NAFEX: Reacted to “First Interest meeti…” with ❤️
01:50:30 Barbara Deardorff: Thank you. Lots of good information!
01:50:35 John: Great Info!
01:50:42 Andrew Walsh: Thank you Chris!
01:50:55 Andrew Walsh: And thanks to all who contributed!
01:50:56 csauve: Thanks
01:51:15 Mike Chase: https://thefruithouse.weebly.com/best-plums.html for comparison of 40+ plums.
01:51:52 John: Reacted to “https://librivox.org…” with 👍
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